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Sir Langley
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:29 pm




So, you've got, or want to start, an art shop?
These are just a few basic hints to keeping your art shop maintained, and organized nicely.



Post Clarity

This one is pretty obvious, but I've come across a few hard to understand posts while wandering the forums, so I'll say it anyways; Make sure your posts are well organized, and make use of some grammar.

Waiting and Working Lists

ALWAYS keep your "Waiting" and "Working" lists clearly labelled and in check.
Separate posts are wonderful for this, because it just makes everything easier to check up on.
It's always nice to let the 'customers' see what you're working on, and what you've got lined up for the future.

Also, if you're really picky about things, you can mark your progress so that your current commissioners, as well as people looking to commission you, can see how fast you work on things.
This is also good because it will (or it should) put a limit on annoying commissioners who ask how much of their request you have done.
If they can see that their picture is, for example, 75% complete, then they won't really have much to whine about.


Pricing

Take a look around at other people shops for this. See what the other artists are charging for their work, and if yours is of similar style (ie: Bust shots or portraits, full body, 1/2 body etc) you'll be able to get a general idea of what to charge for your own work.

Don't be afraid to raise or lower prices accordingly. This will only help your business by making sure people are getting their money's worth, and that you are getting the payment that you deserve.
Keep in mind that it's not only your artwork that you are being compensated for, it's your time as well.


Samples

Always have examples of the work a customer will be receiving. If you have no examples yet, offer to do a free commission to get the ball rolling.
Do not expect people to blindly invest money.

If possible, find a host that allows hot linking and post the sample images right in your thread. Remember that human beings are lazy by nature. Forcing them to wade through pages of HTML to find examples will discourage even the most wealthy Gaian.
If you don't have an image host, try Angelfire or Photobucket.

Make sure the samples can be easily viewed by everyone. Don't post anything that stretches the screen or takes forever for someone on a 56k modem to download.
Try to keep samples at a maximum of about 100k.

Also, you may consider making a separate post for a few examples, in which case, Thumbnail linking is especially good if you decide to do that.
If you do just post links to your examples, make sure they are clearly marked and easy for people to find. You don't want things to get overlooked.

arrow Sites that allow Remote linking:

www.photobucket.com
http://www.imageshack.us/index.php



Rules

Saved this part for last. It's the most important thing, in regards to owning an Art Shop.
Make sure that you clearly list some rules that you want commissioners to respect and follow.
If you cannot, or will not draw certain subject matter, (ie: Furries/Anthro, hentai, yaoi/yuri) be sure to state that somewhere so that people know what not to request from you.
If you prefer that people to post their orders in the thread, rather than PM, state that as well.

Try to keep your rules concise and to a minimum, though.
Too many rules will scare people away.


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Art Auctions


So we finally have an auction assistance post. I'm going to start it off with something that everyone should know by means of common sense.

Art Auction Etiquette
Artists: Try to keep a low starting bid, or it won't be an auction at all XD
Pick a good end time. About 4 to 5 days or so should do.
Nothing crazy like +2 weeks.
DO NOT have bumping contests! Those are spam and only suit the chatterbox.

Bidders: Try not to withdraw your bid in auctions, it's bad etiquette.
DON'T PM the artist with bids/offers, unless they say it's ok. No one likes a PM bidder ninja


Quoted from The Requests and Commissions Guideline!. Visit that thread every now and then...

Now, you're having, or thinking of having, an art auction?
Goodie! biggrin

But remember!

- ALWAYS Post examples for auctions!

This shouldn't even need to be said, but for precaution's sake...
Showing your examples in their own separate post will make them easier to notice/find.

- Keep your auction organised!

You'd best reserve a few posts because you may need them.
Always start off with your intro or your rules. It looks far more professional that way.

- Keep a clear spot for your bids!

It's much easier for YOU to keep track of offers, and for potential bidders to see what they're up against.
On this note: arrow Keep all bids IN YOUR AUCTION THREAD. Accepting bids via PM is NOT fair to others.

- Lay down the rules!

Most of your regular, run of the mill Art Shop rules should still apply in your auction. I would recommend that you post your rules straight from your shop.
  • Clever bidders will take advantage of the little unsaid things. (ie: If you do not give a limit for how many characters you will draw in one picture, you might get someone asking for a giant group of 8 people.)

  • If you don't do certain styles or subject matter, (ex: furries, hentai, etc.) POST THAT CLEARLY. You don't want to get stuck drawing something you're uncomfortable with by your own lack of foresight.

  • Post what you will accept as payment, that way you're not getting things you do not want.

You can't really make a MAJOR change to your rules, or what you want as payment during the middle of your auction because, quite frankly, that's unfair and a little inconsiderate.
Just make sure that you are VERY thorough with what you will draw/accept/etc.

- Set a decent date and time for your auction's closing.

Pick a time and date in which you know you'll be around to properly end your auction. Be sure to thank your bidders and note down the final/winning bid.

- Be appreciative towards your bidders!

They are basically 'fighting' over you and your skills.

Also, you're kind of depending on your bidders to exercise proper bidding etiquette. Hopefully, most of them can handle that for you.


Nyome teh Auction Goddess


I'll cover first what really to ME, makes an auction unsuccessful:

-People in a rush to get to the R&C/Undeveloped Artwork - most likely won't be anyone in GASOC. whee But some people who personally ask me over AIM or PM if they should start an auction usually go ahead and do it even when I advise them to wait a few months, then complain when it doesn't go well. I know from experience and careful attention usually if their artwork will go well or not in R&C. neutral I try to be nice, but truthful foremost. I waited 3 months before my first, to get my art skills up a bit, and get to a point where I know I can at least try to venture in and sell art.

-Disorganization- Again, probably won't be anyone in GASOC. xd But make sure EVERYTHING looks nice. I was nagging at my friend for at least an hour to make him move his examples to the second post because squeezing it on the first post made my eyes bleed. x_____x;; I just don't like stretched posts. XD He reserved 8- might as well use them!

-Attitudes- I'm pretty sure no one in GASOC would have a problem with this. xd but there's been a few auctions with artists who are er... a bit.. o-O;; um, they think quite highly of themselves. XD;; sometimes they are just amazing, but the attitude can totally ruin artwork sometimes. I know personally I'm a bit turned off at the whole auction if I feel the artist did not present themselves in a nice respectful way on their front page. I also do prefer hosting the auction myself, so others can get to know me better. ^^

And an artist's personality throughout the whole thing is very important. I was almost about to bid in someone's art auction, but I make it a rule to read through a few pages to find out the artist's personality a bit before I bid. Her attitude totally turned me off and I didn't want to bid after that. @_@ After 10 minutes of no bids, whining will probably turn off any other bidders. ~_^;;


-Leaving the auction- I really think it's important for an artist to stay in the thread and devote themselves to the auction. I CANNOT stress how important this is. To me, this shows that the artist really really cares for the auction and wishes it to succeed as much as they can. Time is an issue, but that's why we should choose a good time to make an auction too. A time we know WE can be there at least half the time, and have devoted friends the other half.

I've devoted about probably.. 150+ hours to one auction.o_o;; I'm just estimating. xd R&C moves pretty fast, so the best way to get bids of course is to bump.But I think an auction has a nicer feel when the artist themselves are there. ^^

-Small things- People take notice of the smallest things. Hired bumpers can mean the artist doesn't have time to take care of the auction, or they don't care enough about it- who knows? Each person will interpret everything differently. Putting the words "BID NOWWWWWWW~~" into the title MAY work. ~_^ but...it rarely does. neutral at least what I've seen. When I see that in a title in the R&C, I usually skip over it. To me, that shows impatience and rashness, qualities I'd rather not deal with if I were to bid. Course, that could also be seen from a different perspective- an attention getter, they were frustrated...etc. It all depends right? Course, there's no real way to catch ALL the small things. ^^;; some things that look fine to you might be iffy to someone else, which is why I recommend having a friend look over your posts before you open auction, just in case. ^_~



When making an auction, remember....

... to reserve enough posts! xd
... it's safer to plan it out on notepad first, so you can go in, post your first post, reserve a few, go back and edit, and open auction in a matter of minutes, instead of waiting for a long time and letting peoples' attentions drift. ^^
... to show that YOU are devoted to the auction, and will see it through no matter what. 3nodding A bidder might be iffy on the art and HB, but if they see the artist devoted to the auction, that might be the deciding factor of whether they should bid or not.
... Always put your rules, what you will or will not draw, starting date, ending date, minimum increments, etc etc. Linking to GEN and saying you accept low,mid,or high GEN is important too. ^^
... just have fun. biggrin if you show that you're enjoying it, other people will come, and your auction will be a success. ^_____^

And also, remember to make a banner and stuff before you start. xd VERY IMPORTANT.

There's also a specific way to get art out into the open. ninja I lurk in the Q&F, Exchange, Minishops, R&C, Welcome to Gaia, and Art discussion. ^^;; During an auction, posting at least once in each of the popular forums, even the discussions, is advised. 3nodding After posting once, stay in the main money forums- Exchange and R&C. ninja

When posting in another person's auction, BE CAREFUL. O_O;; Sometimes I forget I'm carrying my banner in my sig, and I post a heart in someone's auction to help them bump, but I remember when during my first auction, I thought it a bit insulting for another artist to just post a domokun or heart without really saying anything (( back then I was new, and still thought of it as disrespectful and sort of advertising ~_^ )) I also don't advise posting your own or something else's artwork in someone's auction thread, or talking about the "OMG AMAZING artwork" some other artist has. neutral That IS disrespectful to the artist, and it does hurt, cuz I've had that happen to me many times. Many of my original 1st auction friends have left, so no one really knows my little irks anymore. u_u and of course saying "omg shuttap about that artist/get that artwork OUTTA my thread" is horribly rude. xd But it's important to make it known that it IS your auction, and if something bugs you, it will not be tolerated. x_x


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Aaaaaand there is probably a million things I've forgotten, but that's why there's a wonderful edit feature and all that jazz.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:30 pm





This is how Lang does hair
Quatro asked for a diagram sort of thing.... so I figured I'd post it here since its art related-y.
For some reason lots of people ask me how I do hair, and this would be a pseudo answer.

First;
Pick a medium-dark color to start off with, because this will eventually make things easier.
Once you have the flat color layed down, pick out a lighter color and begin to define the strands where you think they should be.


When you're finished with that, it usually looks like

Now would be an okay time to go with a color a bit darker than your flat tone. Adding shadows to help imply volume underneath parts of the hair to give depth and all.


Once you get that done, pick a a tone that is lighter than your initial highlight, and begin to define the strands that you want to stand out more. Or the ones that are on a higher level of the head(have more volume) than the rest.


Lastly, go even lighter in tone. Make sure you're just going over the most prominent strands of hair, since these are the ones that will catch more light.


The final step is optional, if you want really high levels of sheen. You can take the 'Burn' tool, set it to 'Highlights' on approx. 24%, then go over the most prominent strands once again.


All the colors I used were pretty much visible in the toolbar, so you can see what I was switching back and forth with.
There is no real way for me to explain my coloring method, since I experiment with different things all the time. I have no consistency. sweatdrop
I hope that helped, Quatro. 3nodding



Sir Langley
Vice Captain


Sir Langley
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:32 pm




OMG You got Warned!
Da Punkie Krys - Art theft, attempted to sell stolen art
Hoitsu - Refusing payment
Klody, SAD-Klody T_ T - harassing, attempting to get into closed waiting lists via bribing artists, etc...
Keekio - refusing payment
Yitomic - Constant harassment
Gate Saumoto - Failure to pay, ignoring PM's.
Shaman Man - Failure to pay, ignoring PM's.
Kyle Blackstone - Failure to pay, ignoring PM's.
TheMessiah - Irritation, irritation... irritation...
XxanimeloverxX - Ignoring rules, refusing full payment, harassment via PM's.


arrow Important!: This list is NOT a list of people you should post stalk, or harass via Private Message.
It will simply be a list of people that you may want to either avoid or do some further checking up on before taking their requests. This is to help the artists know who they're drawing for.
arrow Note: If you've been harassed at least 3 times about request completion, don't hesitate to post their username here. We'll then add them to the warning list.
If their behaviour continues, we'll have a mod warn (strike fear into) them.


Things to consider

The following things can possibly and probably get you a spot on the Warning list:

-Trying to skip out of payment, or being very delayed with payment.

Don't even waste your time on trying to sneak off without paying. It's just plain stupid, you'll get caught. (However, if you know you're going to be late in paying an artist, offering collateral is a good, not to mention nice, idea.)

-Constantly harassing an artist about your picture getting done. OR getting into waiting lists that clearly say "Closed".
Artists are not machines. They have lives, just like you do, so you can't expect them to work on commissions 24/7. Being patient with them will help both of you in the long run. Also, don't try and force more work onto them. It's stressful, and irritating. So if you want them to consider taking your requests in the future, lay off and wait your turn.
arrow Note to art shop owners:
Please remember, that if you've been harassed by a commissioner, or someone that wants a request, more than 3 times, post the person's username here so we can add it to the warning list for future reference.

-Asking artists to change certain things about your request even after it is completed/Changing your original request to something else after it is sketched.
There are a lot of these sort of cases, I find. And they really are disrespectful to an artist. When you make a request, state exactly what you want in clear detail, and state it once. It's a pain in the a** to go back and change near finished works, or start something new because one inconsiderate person cannot make up their mind.

-Refusing to compensate an artist if you are not satisfied with your product.
That's just plain rude. Usually, you see examples in the artist's shop, so you know what you're paying for. If you don't like the style, move on and find something you do like. If you're unhappy with your finished product, don't blame the artist. It's your job to tell them what you want drawn. Do not expect an artist to go un-paid because of your own lack of clarity.
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There may, or may, not be additions to these 'rules'.
If you are looking to commission an artist, please consider what was mentioned above before doing so.
If, at some point, you find yourself on this list and wish to be taken off, you're going to have to redeem yourself before we consider removing you.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:34 pm


Abandoned Dreams
ABUSIVE COMMISSIONERS
(and other Art Shop challenges)

If you are faced with a particularly abusive client, we recommend several things.

A customer is asking me every five minutes why their portrait isn't done yet!
Explain to the person that art takes time. If you are too busy to finish their request within an acceptable amount of time, explain your situation to the customer and provide a refund if necessary. If the person continues to harass you, report him/her to a mod. There is NO excuse for being barraged with abusive PMs or posts. If you cannot settle the matter peacefully and you have done everything possible to smooth the situation over, moderator intervention may be required.

Someone is trying to force their way onto my waiting list, but I clearly said that there are no spots open!
As with the previous situation, explain that you have a limit for a reason and have a life outside of Gaia. If the person continues to harass you, report them to a mod.

I sent a customer their order but never got paid!
This is outright theft. If the person has received the art (I recommend doing it through PM because you can confirm that it has been received because the message is moved from your Outbox to your Sentbox), then there is no excuse for not paying the artist. If you have tried to contact the person twice after sending the art, but have received no payment or reply, and if the person is active on Gaia (and has posted since you sent the art), then it can be assumed that the person has no intention of paying. Unfortunately, there is no way of forcing anyone to pay. Report people who withold payment here and we'll add them to the Warning List in hopes of saving other avatar artists some grief.

The easiest way to avoid this scenario is to ask for a prepayment or down payment. I personally do not use this method because it encourages scamming on the part of the "artist". Even I have fallen victim to prepayment methods and never received art. The method I prefer is to request that the customer send no gold until the piece is finished. I send them a sample picture through PM and ask for the payment if the picture is to the customer's linking. Once the trade has been completed, I send the final version.

***If you have come across an abusive customer or an art thief (someone who orders and receives art but never pays for it), report it in this thread and we'll add them to the list.***

Someone came into my shop and told me my art sucked. Now I don't feel like drawing any more, much less drawing for the people at Gaia.
Let's face it: artists are fragile creatures. We live and die each time we present our work for others' approval. My only advice to you if you should be attacked in this manner is to ignore them. Whether or not you need more practice is entirely up to you. Remember that there are so many jerks in the forums that Gaia actually had to implement a "encouraging suicide is strictly prohibited" rule. Anyone who intentionally insults an artist on their turf (ie, posting in your shop merely to display unparalelled rudeness) earns them an instant place on our list. The world is full of people who deserve to be hit with things. Don't worry too much about it.

Someone accused me of art theft and is telling everyone I'm a scammer!
First of all, don't panic. Unless, of course, you actually did steal the art, in which case panicking is fully expected if not required. Assuming that you are innocent, make an attempt to explain this to the accuser and prove your innocence. If the accusations persist, report them here and we'll see if they have a trend of harassing artists in this manner. If so, it might be necessary to report the person to a moderator. They will also be added to our Warning List.

Sir Langley
Vice Captain

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